Nixon agreed to be filmed by Frost for a series of “tell-us-what-happened” TV interviews. It would be the first time the American public would see and hear Nixon in a series of no-holds-barred TV interviews since resigning from office. Nixon agreed to do more than 20 hours of on-camera interviews with Frost and would receive $1 million or more in fees and profits for the sessions.
Frost pulled something of a coup in getting the exclusive sessions with Nixon, upstaging American journalists and broadcast networks. The initial interviews were compressed and edited into a series of 90-minute TV shows that were then broadcast in May 1977 and watched by millions. But the interviews themselves were just the beginning.
In the wake of their initial broadcast, and over the next 30 years, a small cottage industry grew up around the event, spawning a series of books, VHS tapes, DVDs, stage productions, a Hollywood film, and a fair amount of ongoing debate. Part of that story follows here.
Richard Nixon had resigned as President of the United States on August 9th, 1974. His political demise was brought about principally by the 1972 Watergate affair: an illegal caper involving clandestine operatives. The operatives — later linked to the White House and Nixon’s re-election committee — were caught bugging the Democratic Party’s national headquarters at the Watergate office building in Washington, D.C. Nixon and his team maneuvered to cover up their connection to this crime in what then became additional illegal activities including obstruction of justice. A protracted legal and political battle ensued over the next two years between Nixon’s White House and those pursuing the case, including: the national media and the press, the U.S. Congress, two Special Prosecutors, and the U.S. Supreme Court. All of this culminated in the July 1974 House Judiciary Committee’s vote approving two articles of impeachment. Headed for a certain trial in the U.S. Senate, Nixon pre-empted that possibility by resigning.Among indelible impressions of Nixon’s final day at the White House prior to his departure, is the famous raised, double-armed victory salute at the helicopter door just prior to lift off from the White House lawn. Vice-President Gerald Ford, who then became president, gave Nixon a full presidential pardon a month later in September 1974, an act which later helped Democrat Jimmy Carter beat Ford in the November 1976 presidential election. Nixon thereafter secluded himself at his San Clemente, California residence where he would begin work on his memoirs. Many in the nation would have just as soon forgotten Nixon at that point. Yet there were still many unanswered questions about the former president and his role in Watergate, and for some, no justice served since Congress had not taken Nixon to trial and President Ford had given him a full pardon. In the news media, meanwhile, there was keen interest in getting Nixon on the record to tell his story — but many believed he would never talk. One who was challenged by that possibility, however, was David Frost.
Golden Boy vs. Nixon
David Paradine Frost had been something of TV phenom in Britain during the early 1960s. In his 20s, he was among a group of young entertainers that broke new ground on British television with an aggressive weekly show of satire called That Was the Week That Was. Begun in 1962, the show lampooned the British Establishment and became a popular success. Frost and the show caught America’s attention in 1963 when they paid serious homage to assassinated President John F. Kennedy. A U.S. version of the show, also featuring Frost, ran on NBC from January 1964 to May 1965. He soon had various TV business interests and other TV talk shows in Britain and the U.S. The David Frost Show ran in America for three years and won a primetime Emmy in 1970. During that time, Frost had become a trans-Atlantic jet setter, also known as something of a playboy, dating a range of models and movie stars, among them: Diahann Carroll, Karen Graham, Carol Lynley, Liv Ullmann, and Bibi Andersson. Wrote People magazine of Frost in 1975: “Once he flew 60 friends to Bermuda just for lunch, and it delighted him the time he beat out a Rothschild for a chartered jet to take a girlfriend to dinner in Vienna.”But Frost lost his U.S. talk show in 1972 and, by the mid-1970s, many believed his best years were behind him. By then, David Frost was a well-heeled businessman with many interests — from packaging TV shows and pop concerts, to film production and book publishing plus an investment company. By May 1977 he had an estimated worth of at least $5 million. His Paradine, Ltd. conglomerate grossed an estimated $20 million a year. Among projects underway in 1977 were: The Slipper and the Rose, an eight-part Cinderella movie musical; Crossroads of Civilization, a TV series with a $2.5 million budget shot in Iran; and Nessie, a $7.5 million sci-fi film on the Loch Ness monster.
Richard Nixon, meanwhile, in addition to being a disgraced former president, was in debt big time. He had huge legal bills and back taxes to pay. By 1975, Nixon was angling for book deals and possible TV interviews as ways to raise funds. But Nixon did not want any of the well-known U.S. journalists to interview him, such as Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley, or others from the CBS show, 60 Minutes. Nixon also planned to extract a handsome price for any interview, and that would help rule out some of the American networks that had policies prohibiting payment for interviews. In fact, about that time, a controversy had broken out over CBS paying H.R. Haldeman, a Nixon aide, for an on-camera interview, prompting charges of “check-book journalism.”David Frost, meanwhile, had Nixon in his sights. Frost, in fact, had pursued Nixon almost from the day he left the White House. Frost was in Australia the day Nixon resigned in August 1974, and while there, he placed a call to Nixon with an offer for a TV contract. Nixon showed no interest then and put Frost off for about a year or so, saying he would likely be unavailable.
In July 1975, after Nixon signed his $2 million deal with Warner Books for his memoirs, his literary agent, Irving Lazar, also began talking with the TV networks in New York about a Nixon interview. NBC was interested and had placed a bid to interview Nixon, reportedly at $400,000. Frost then made Nixon a new offer: $500,000 for four shows. Frost made his offer through Nixon’s former communications chief, Herb Klein, then an executive at Metromedia in Los Angeles. But Nixon’s agent, Irving Lazar, wanted more money. Frost then raised his offer to $600,000 also giving Nixon a cut of the profits. NBC did not match Frost’s bid. Frost then had his deal. Lawyers for each side hashed out the details in a 13-page contract. Nixon would be available for at least 20 hour-long taping sessions that would later be edited for a series of TV shows. The interviews would not air before 1977 so as not to be a factor in the 1976 elections. Under the terms of the contract, Nixon would have no control over content of questions or editing, and would not see any of the questions in advance. “Nixon can, of course, refuse to answer questions,” Frost told reporters. “But then I am able to film his refusing to answer.”
When the deal was first announced, Nixon’s agent, Irving Lazar, said that Nixon had chosen Frost because of Frost’s “unique and wide-ranging experience.” But there was more to it than that. Nixon also wanted a certain kind of journalist, one who was not confrontational, and one who Nixon thought he could out-smart. David Frost, then 36, appeared to fit the bill. Hearing of the Frost deal, some critics immediately tagged Nixon as opting for “show business” rather than the “news business.” “Can David Frost succeed where John Sirica, Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski failed?”
–Time, May 1977 And Frost, they implied, was no news heavyweight, known for throwing soft balls rather than being a tough interrogator. Yet Frost was no stranger to the political arena, and had interviewed British heads of state and other world leaders. He had also interviewed Nixon in 1968, and in1970 was invited to the Nixon White House to emcee a Christmas party. Frost’s relaxed style of interviewing, some believed, was effective in extracting information without being overbearing. On The David Frost Show, he once interviewed Ted Sorensen, former aide to President John Kennedy, who said on the air that Senator Ted Kennedy, a longtime friend, could not run for President in the aftermath of his 1969 Chappaquiddick incident. Still the conventional wisdom among newsmen and others at the time was that Frost was not tough enough for Nixon, and would not succeed in doing what a federal judge and two special prosecutors failed to do. “Can David Frost succeed where John Sirica, Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski failed?,”asked Time magazine.
Images At Stake
The planned televised interviews — with a huge audience likely in the U.S. and abroad — had seeming benefits for both Nixon and Frost. For Nixon, the interviews would present a chance to salvage his presidential reputation, make his case to the American public, and review his diplomatic and other presidential accomplishments. For Frost, the interviews would be a chance to prove himself a serious interviewer and also elevate his celebrity credentials. But for both men there were risks as well. Television in the past had both hurt and helped Nixon — saving him in 1956 in his “Checkers Speech” which kept him on the Eisenhower ticket, and costing him dearly in 1960s with a poor showing in the first televised presidential debate with John F. Kennedy. Frost, too, faced the risk of failure with Nixon in front of millions, which could sink the remainder of his career. But both men were ambitious, even in their respective desperations. Frank Langella, who would later play Nixon in both the stage and film versions of Frost/Nixon, observed that the two men had much in common by 1977. They both had their share of critics, Langella noted, and both had reputations that were sullied or damaged. They were also “two men born of modest circumstances who had immortal yearnings,” Langella added. “They had a great desire to get to the top of the ladder — and stay there.”The taping sessions were conducted north of San Clemente, California in the home of a Nixon friend and ran over 12 days, producing more than 28 hours of taped conversation. Frost had come to the U.S. for the duration, lodging at the Beverly Hills Hilton. Nixon’s home then was in San Clemente. The preparation for the interviews was extensive and both sides had their respective “teams” of experts and helpers. Nixon had then been working on his memoirs, becoming familiar with all the details of his days in office, and was also being helped by a team of researchers including Colonel Jack Brennan, his former White House military aide; Ken Khachigian his head researcher; Ray Price, a former speechwriter; Diane Sawyer, a former White House press assistant (and later famous TV correspondent); and Richard Moore, a former White House aide. Nixon’s people were told what topics would be covered, but never the questions to be asked. Frost had a research group that included Robert Zelnick, 36, a Washington journalist and lawyer, and James Reston, Jr., 36, who had co-authored with Frank Mankiewicz, Perfectly Clear: Nixon from Whittier to Watergate. Reston was the son of the New York Times editor, James Reston, and would write Frost a lengthy strategy memo that 30 years later would become part of a book about the interviews. Washington freelance writer Phil Stanford was also on Frost’s team, as well as John Birt, 32, a London TV news executive, who produced and directed the taping sessions and the TV production. Among Frost’s financial backers for his initial production costs was investment banker James Goldsmith who also owned the French magazine L’Express.
The taped interviews occurred between March 23rd and April 20th, 1977, and they covered every aspect of Nixon’s presidency. The taped sessions were then edited and compressed into initially four 90-minute TV shows, and later, a fifth show. The sessions with Nixon, however, proved frustrating to Frost and his team, as initially they failed to extract much of anything that was really new. As the contracted hours ticked by, sometimes with Nixon running on with long-winded answers, Frost’s team worried that the whole enterprise would fall flat for lack of getting what they had hoped from Nixon: some admission of guilt and remorse for what he had done. Finally, in two sessions near the end of the taping, Frost became more aggressive and cornered Nixon into a confession of guilt and an apology. These would be the sessions edited for use as the “Watergate” segment; the show that would air first in the series, on May 4th, 1977.
Broadcast & AdvertisingAt first, it was unclear whether the broadcast of the Frost-Nixon interviews would even get off the ground or have an adequate outlet, especially since the major U.S. networks then — ABC, CBS, and NBC — were not involved. Frost, however, found Syndicast, a New York-based independent TV marketing agency, to help sell broadcasting rights to individual stations, and eventually put together a network of 145 U.S. stations and 14 foreign outlets to air the broadcasts. Next was the matter of sponsors and advertisers. Initially, advertising sold poorly, but later picked up. In the immediate run-up to the first televised interview with Nixon, there was a heavy round of publicity. That week, major articles appeared on the interviews in Time, Newsweek and TV Guide. And on the Sunday evening preceding the first interview, CBS’s popular show 60 Minutes ran a 20-minute segment on the upcoming interview with Mike Wallace interviewing Frost about what he found. Time magazine, in fact, had arranged with Frost early on to have its Washington news editor, John Stacks, cover Frost’s taping of Nixon. Stacks, went to California for six weeks and essentially lived with the Frost staff in their Beverly Hills Hilton headquarters, looking at video tapes, interviewing Frost, and observing his staff strategy sessions. Time photographer John Bryson was also the only photographer allowed at the taping sessions and took a number of photos that appeared with Time‘s story. In covering the story, Stacks would observe that an “incredible number of Nixons” emerged from the former President during the interviews. “The shows are a kind of video psychobiography,” Stacks explained in the issue that hit newstands the week of the first interview. As the interviews aired in May 1977, America was still reeling from the Watergate scandal and the Vietnam War. Jimmy Carter was then in his first few months as President. Inflation was on the rise; the first energy price shocks had come from the 1973 Arab oil embargo. In music, Fleetwood Mac’s Rumours album had been released a few months earlier, and in the U.K. the punk rock group, The Clash, had come on the scene. A movie named Star Wars would debut in Hollywood on May 25th and, in June, the Apple II personal computer would go on sale.
The first of the Nixon interviews — and the most forceful for Frost — which had actually come near the end of the taping sessions, aired on Wednesday evening, May 4th,1977 at 8:30 pm. It was during this session that Nixon made his admission about his part in the Watergate scandal: “I let down my friends,” he said. “I let down the country. I let down our system of government, and the dreams of all those young people that ought to get into government but now think it too corrupt… I let the American people down, and I have to carry that burden with me the rest of my life.” That episode drew 45 million viewers, about a third of the U.S. viewing public at the time. It was then the largest television audience in history for a public affairs telecast.
“I Have Impeached Myself”
FROST: …You got caught up in something and it snowballed?
NIXON: It snowballed, and it was my fault. I’m not blaming anybody else. I’m simply saying to you that as far as I’m concerned, I not only regret it. I indicated my own beliefs in this matter when I resigned. People didn’t think it was enough to admit mistakes; fine. If they want me to get down and grovel on the floor; no, never. Because I don’t believe I should. On the other hand there are some friends who say, “just face ’em down. There’s a conspiracy to get you.” There may have been. I don’t know what the CIA had to do. Some of their shenanigans have yet to be told, according to a book I read recently. I don’t know what was going on in some Republican, some Democratic circles as far as the so-called impeachment lobby was concerned. However, I don’t go with the idea that there … that what brought me down was a coup, a conspiracy etc. I brought myself down. I gave them a sword, and they stuck it in and they twisted it with relish. And I guess if I had been in their position, I’d have done the same thing.
FROST: Could you just say, with conviction, I mean not because I want you to say it, that you did do some covering up. We’re not talking legalistically now; I just want the facts. You did do some covering up. There was some time when you were overwhelmed by your loyalties or whatever else, you protected your friends, or maybe yourself. In fact you were, to put it at its most simple, part of a cover-up at times.
NIXON: No, I again respectfully will not quibble with you about the use of the terms. However, before using the term I think it’s very important for me to make clear what I did not do and what I did do and then I will answer your question quite directly. I did not in the first place commit the crime of obstruction of justice, because I did not have the motive required for the commission of that crime.
FROST: We disagree on that.
NIXON: I did not commit, in my view, an impeachable offense. Now, the House has ruled overwhelmingly that I did. Of course, that was only an indictment, and it would have to be tried in the Senate. I might have won, I might have lost. But even if I had won in the Senate by a vote or two, I would have been crippled. And in any event, for six months the country couldn’t afford having the president in the dock in the United States Senate. And there can never be an impeachment in the future in this country without a president voluntarily impeaching himself. I have impeached myself. That speaks for itself.
FROST: How do you mean “I have impeached myself”?
NIXON: By resigning. That was a voluntary impeachment. Now, what does that mean in terms of whether I … you’re wanting me to say that I participated in an illegal cover-up. No. Now when you come to the period, and this is the critical period, when you come to the period of March 21 on, when Dean gave his legal opinion, that certain things, actions taken by, Haldeman, Erlichman, [attorney general John] Mitchell et cetera, and even by himself amounted to illegal coverups and so forth, then I was in a very different position. And during that period, I will admit, that I started acting as lawyer for their defense. “…And under the circum- stances I would have to say that a reasonable person could call that a cover-up. I didn’t think of it as a cover-up. I didn’t intend it to cover-up.”
NIXON: Let me say, if I intended to cover-up, believe me, I’d have done it. You know how I could have done it so easy? I could have done it immediately after the election simply by giving clemency to everybody. And the whole thing would have gone away. I couldn’t do that because I said clemency was wrong. But now we come down to the key point and let me answer it in my own way about how I feel about the American people. I mean about whether I should have resigned earlier or what I should say to them now. Well, that forces me to rationalize now and give you a carefully prepared and cropped statement. I didn’t expect this question, frankly though, so I’m not going to give you that. But I can tell you this …FROST: Nor did I.
NIXON: I can tell you this. I think I said it all in one of those moments that you’re not thinking sometimes you say the things that are really in your heart. When you’re thinking in advance and you say things that are, you know, tailored to the audience. I had a lot of difficult meetings in those last days and the most difficult one, the only one where I broke into tears, frankly except for that very brief session with Erlichman up at Camp David, that was the first time I cried since Eisenhower died. I met with all of my key supporters just the halfhour before going on television. For 25 minutes we all sat around the Oval Office, men that I had come to Congress with, Democrats and Republicans, about half and half. Wonderful men. And at the very end, after saying thank you for all your support during these tough years, thank you particularly for what you have done to help us end the draft, bring home the POWs, have a chance for building a generation of peace, which I could see the dream I had possibly being shattered, and thank you for your friendship, little acts of friendship over the years, you sort of remember with a birthday card and all the rest. Then suddenly you haven’t got much more to say and half the people around the table were crying. And I just can’t stand seeing somebody else cry. And that ended it for me. And I just, well, I must say I sort of cracked up. Started to cry, pushed my chair back.
NIXON: And then I blurted it out. And I said, “I’m sorry. I just hope I haven’t let you down.” Well, when I said: “I just hope I haven’t let you down,” that said it all. I had: I let down my friends, I let down the country, I let down our system of government and the dreams of all those young people that ought to get into government but will think it is all too corrupt and the rest.“Yep, I let the American people down. And I have to carry that burden with me for the rest of my life. My political life is over.”
Obstruction of Justice
Frost also probed Nixon about directing his aides to have the CIA ask the FBI to stop following certain leads in its investigation of Watergate. In this exchange, Nixon admitted that an earlier claim he’d made — that he was only trying to keep the FBI out of national security matters — was “untrue.” Actually, Nixon in this case was trying to stop the FBI from tracing Watergate money back to his political committee. Nixon later tells Frost in the interview, “It was a grievous mistake to have gotten the CIA involved in this thing.” Still, in this exchange, Nixon insists this was not a criminal act. But Frost replies that Nixon knew that criminals would be protected. Nixon objects and tries to qualify, but Frost persists: “An obstruction of justice is an obstruction of justice if it’s for a minute or five minutes…” On the televised portion of the interviews at this point, Nixon appears shaken. He then says his “absence of motive” precludes any criminal intent. But Frost jumps on that and surprises Nixon, suggesting the ex-president’s knowledge of the law is incomplete. “The law states,” says Frost, “that when intent and foreseeable consequences are sufficient, motive is completely irrelevant.” Nixon says nothing and appears uncomfortable.
After the May 4th interview, the next three televised interviews ran in the same evening time slot, and were spaced evenly over the next three weeks, on May 12th, May 19th, and May 25th. In the May 19th session, for example, Nixon asserted that a president could order actions such as burglaries and eavesdropping against American dissidents — actions which he termed “legal” when the president ordered them.
FROST: …The wave of dissent, occasionally violent, which followed in the wake of the Cambodian incursion [re: Vietnam War], prompted President Nixon to demand better intelligence about the people who were opposing him. To this end, the Deputy White House Counsel, Tom Huston, arranged a series of meetings with representatives of the CIA, the FBI, and other police and intelligence agencies.
FROST: These meetings produced a plan, the Huston Plan, which advocated the systematic use of wiretappings, burglaries, or so-called black bag jobs, mail openings and infiltration against antiwar groups and others. Some of these activities, as Huston emphasized to Nixon, were clearly illegal. Nevertheless, the president approved the plan. Five days later, after opposition from J. Edgar Hoover, the plan was withdrawn, but the president’s approval was later to be listed in the Articles of Impeachment as an alleged abuse of presidential power.
FROST: So what in a sense, you’re saying is that there are certain situations, and the Huston Plan or that part of it was one of them, where the president can decide that it’s in the best interests of the nation or something, and do something illegal.
NIXON: Well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal.
FROST: By definition.
NIXON: Exactly. Exactly. If the president, for example, approves something because of the national security, or in this case because of a threat to internal peace and order of significant magnitude, then the president’s decision in that instance is one that enables those who carry it out, to carry it out without violating a law. Otherwise they’re in an impossible position.
FROST: So, that in other words, really you were saying in that answer, really, between the burglary and murder, again, there’s no subtle way to say that there was murder of a dissenter in this country because I don’t know any evidence to that effect at all. But, the point is: just the dividing line, is that in fact, the dividing line is the president’s judgment?NIXON: Yes, and the dividing line and, just so that one does not get the impression that a president can run amok in this country and get away with it, we have to have in mind that a president has to come up before the electorate. We also have to have in mind, that a president has to get appropriations from the Congress. We have to have in mind, for example, that as far as the CIA’s covert operations are concerned, as far as the FBI’s covert operations are concerned, through the years, they have been disclosed on a very, very limited basis to trusted members of Congress. I don’t know whether it can be done today or not.
FROST: Pulling some of our discussions together, as it were; speaking of the Presidency and in an interrogatory filed with the Church Committee, you stated, quote, “It’s quite obvious that there are certain inherently government activities, which, if undertaken by the sovereign in protection of the interests of the nation’s security are lawful, but which if undertaken by private persons, are not.” What, at root, did you have in mind there?
NIXON: Well, what I, at root I had in mind I think was perhaps much better stated by Lincoln during the War between the States. Lincoln said, and I think I can remember the quote almost exactly, he said, “Actions which otherwise would be unconstitutional, could become lawful if undertaken for the purpose of preserving the Constitution and the Nation.”“…[I]s there anything in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that suggests the president is that far of a sovereign, that far above the law?” – David Frost
NIXON: Now that’s the kind of action I’m referring to. Of course in Lincoln’s case it was the survival of the Union in wartime, it’s the defense of the nation and, who knows, perhaps the survival of the nation.
FROST: But there was no comparison was there, between the situation you faced and the situation Lincoln faced, for instance?
NIXON: This nation was torn apart in an ideological way by the war in Vietnam, as much as the Civil War tore apart the nation when Lincoln was president. Now it’s true that we didn’t have the North and the South…
FROST: But when you said, as you said when we were talking about the Huston Plan, you know, “If the president orders it, that makes it legal”, as it were: Is the president in that sense — is there anything in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that suggests the president is that far of a sovereign, that far above the law?
NIXON: No, there isn’t. There’s nothing specific that the Constitution contemplates in that respect. I haven’t read every word, every jot and every tittle, but I do know this: That it has been, however, argued that as far as a president is concerned, that in war time, a president does have certain extraordinary powers which would make acts that would otherwise be unlawful, lawful if undertaken for the purpose of preserving the nation and the Constitution, which is essential for the rights we’re all talking about.
Frost & Nixon GainThe televised interviews covered a full range of topics from Nixon’s presidency, not only Watergate and Vietnam. Although there were some sharp exchanges, and Nixon did admit his wrongdoing — however obliquely — there was also enough of Nixon’s accomplishments on view that he appeared to have redeemed a bit of his political stature, also drawing sympathy from some viewers as later Gallup public opinion polling would confirm. In the end though, the Gallup poll taken after the interviews found that 72 percent of those who watched believed Nixon was guilty of obstruction of justice and other impeachable crimes.
For David Frost, the interviews were a major success, if only because Frost was the single journalist then to have such an extended and exclusive on-camera arrangement with the ex-president. The interviews gave Frost broad national and international exposure and elevated his celebrity. He was praised by some in the news media, and offered begrudging respect by others who had wanted the Nixon interviews. Some news executives conceded that Frost’s style was perhaps better than a more aggressive inquisitor such as 60 Minutes’ Mike Wallace. Barbara Walters reportedly cabled Frost after the Watergate session aired, saying: “I burst with pride for you last night. You were superb. Bravo!”The Guardian of London ran a May 27, 1977 story with the headline, “Frost’s Standing Rises in the U.S.,” in which Washington correspondent Jonathan Steele wrote: “[T]he consensus is that he performed superbly, not only as a cross-examiner but in drawing out Mr Nixon’s barely repressed desire for maudlin self-analysis.”
Frost also stood to make a fair amount of money from the interviews. In fact, even before the broadcasts were aired, the rights to foreign broadcasts alone had netted Frost $1 million. It was expected he would make more than $2 million in final profits. And given Nixon’s share of those profits, as specified in the contract, he too would make $1 million or more for the entire enterprise.
But there was still more to come for David Frost in the way of new opportunities, especially now that his reputation had been raised. But first, Frost would also get additional mileage from the interviews themselves. A fifth televised interview with Nixon was telecast in early September 1977 which focused on, among other things, the White House tapes that played a key role in Nixon’s downfall. Subsequent books and conflicting remembrances by Nixon aides H.R. Haldeman, John Erlichman and others kept the interviews and their aftermath in the news. And Frost himself added to this in a substantial way by writing a book on the interviews.
January 1978 Frost’s Book
Frost’s book was published in January 1978 in London and New York. It used the title, “I Gave Them A Sword” (see cover above). The principal title line came from a phrase Nixon had used during the interviews. The book was published in hardback editions in London by Macmillan and in New York by Morrow. The book’s subtitle promised it would go behind the scenes of the Nixon interviews, which Frost did in the writing.
The 320-page book covered the story of the Nixon interviews from the beginning: how Frost first came up with the idea of interviewing Nixon; how he pursued and landed the deal; and how his financiers were became wary of the project. It also recounted the sessions with Nixon, the strategies involved on both sides, and what went on over the many days of taping. Part II of the book included the edited transcripts from the five TV telecasts, titled in the book as: “Watergate”, “The Huston Plan”, “Chile”, “Vietnam”, and “Kissenger”. The Frost book also revealed some newsworthy items, including the assertion that Alabama Gov. George G. Wallace was asked by Nixon to help him get the vote of an Alabama congressman to vote against impeachment. Wallace’s refusal to do this, helped clinch Richard Nixon’s decision to resign the presidency, according to Frost.One review in the New York Times Book Review called Frost’s book “Compelling. Dramatic. Excruciating.” A reviewer for King Features Syndicate added: “Fascinating! Frost’s insights into his own and Nixon’s behavior are truly compelling. The assorted and assembled clippings from the cutting room floor are far more intriguing than the television version.” A Vintage/Ballantine paperback version of the book followed the hardback. The paperback version, as shown here above right and left with front and back covers, played up “The Nixon Interviews” on the cover more prominently than the hardback edition. The publishers also hyped the “insider’s accounting” of the process on the book’s back cover.
Frost by this time, had moved on to other ventures and would compile a long resume of media outings through the 1980s and early 1990s. Among his various U.S. and U.K. TV shows and specials were the following: Headliners With David Frost (1978), David Frost’s Global Village (1979-82), The Bee Gees Special (1979), The Kissinger Interviews (1979), The Shah Speaks (1980), The American Movie Awards (1980), Elvis — He Touched Their Lives (1980), The Royal Wedding (1981), Onward Christian Soldiers (1981), David Frost Presents the International Guinness Book of World Records (1981-86), Frost on Sunday (1981-92), Good Morning Britain (1982), Rubinstein at 95 (1982), Pierre Elliott Trudeau (1982), Frost Over Canada (1982-83), The Search for Josef Mengele (1985) The Guinness Book of Records Hall of Fame (1986-88), The Next President with David Frost (1987-88), Entertainment Tonight (1987-88), Through the Keyhole (1987-93), and in 1989, The President and Mrs. Bush Talking with David Frost.
Home Video Series
In November 1992, at the 20th anniversary of the Watergate scandal, MCA/Universal studios released “The Nixon Interviews With David Frost” in VHS home video format. The VHS format had been around since the late 1970s, but had become especially popular by the early 1990s. MCA/Universal issued a five-volume series of cassettes, each then selling for $19.98. In the series, which is still available today, each volume covers the interviews as they were broadcast in 1977, organized generally around specific themes. Volume 1, titled “Watergate,” covers the Watergate scandal primarily, the payment of “hush money” to certain principals in the scandal, and related issues including impeachment. Volume 2, “The World,” covers Nixon’s international diplomacy and foreign policy, his dealings with China and Russia, his meetings with Mao and Brezhnev, and his relationship with Henry Kissinger. Volume 3, “War at Home and Abroad,” focuses on the Vietnam War, protests at home, and the effect of the War on Nixon’s presidential career. It also covers wartime strategy, wiretaps, “dirty tricks” and organized harassment to quell domestic protest. Volume 4, “The Final Days,” covers the last moments of a failed presidency, the pardon from president Ford, and the work of Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein. Volume 5 is titled “The Missing 18 1/2 Minutes and More,” and covers the issue of a key missing segment from the White House tape recording system during the Watergate scandal and also the stories of Attorney General John Mitchell and his wife Martha.
“Blow The Safe And Get It!”
David Frost’s 1977 interviews, of course, did not pry open all of Nixon’s nefarious deeds or the full force of his audacity. As more of the official record would come to light in subsequent years, the full picture of what Nixon was about would become even clearer. A tape that was released in 1996, for example, covered a meeting where Nixon and top aides Bob Haldeman and John Ehrlichman, along with Henry Kissinger, are discussing some documents that are held at the Brookings Institution in Washington — documents that could be embarrassing to the Democrats.
Nixon reminds this group that something along the lines the Tom Huston’s plan of black-bag break-ins and dirty tricks might be in order here. “You remember Huston’s plan?,” says Nixon. “Implement it,” he says. Kissinger adds at one point in this conversation, “Now Brookings has no right to have classified documents.” Then says Nixon: “Goddamn it, get in and get those files. Blow the safe and get it.” This is 1971, one year before the Watergate break-in of 1972, when the “black-bag” crew were about bugging Democratic Party campaign headquarters.
1992 & Beyond
At the 20th anniversary of the Watergate scandal in 1992, there was a news and media revival around the scandal and all things Nixon. Seminars, talk shows, and new books came forth on Nixon and Watergate. This activity has more or less repeated itself in subsequent years as Watergate principals died off, confidential sources came to light, or new information was released from national and personal archives.
These events included, for example: the death of Richard Nixon in 1994; newly released tapes in 1996; the 30th anniversary of Watergate break-in in 2002; the 30th anniversary of Nixon’s resignation in 2004; the revelation that FBI agent Mark Felt was the famed “Deep Throat” source for Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward in 2005. Similar spurts of activity would also come with new releases of White House tapes or new memoirs.
All of this activity helped to keep the “Nixon/Watergate” legacy in the news — and the market for “Nixon/Watergate” history, debate, and memorabilia very much alive — including the Frost-Nixon material.
Watergate and Richard Nixon history would prove to have a long and continuing shelf life — or “legs,” as marketing and newspeople sometimes say of such phenomena.
The PlayIn August 2006, a play about the 1977 Frost-Nixon interviews — titled Frost/ Nixon — premiered at the intimate, 250-seat Donmar Warehouse theater in London. The play featured American actor Frank Langella as Nixon and British actor Michael Sheen as Frost. It was written and adapted for the stage by British playwright Peter Morgan who was then known for writing the British television drama, The Deal, about a political arrangement made between Britain’s Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Morgan would also win fame for his script for and the 2006 film, The Queen, which won an Oscar for Best Original Screenplay. Morgan’s work was then being cited as reviving a more socially-conscious strain of film and stage production venturing into the political arena with some focus also on the media that cover politicians. Indeed, in Frost/Nixon, the power of television comes in for a fair amount of thrashing, if only by way of illustration. In the actual interviews, Frost had arranged for more close-up shots of Nixon to be shown, while he, Frost the interviewer, was cast in mostly better shots. In the play, a bank of television monitors is available on stage for the audience to watch the various scenes and the framing of the principals as they appear on stage and on the TV screen. But the essential ingredients in the play, of course, are the two main characters. And both Michael Sheen and Frank Langella offered observations about the play and playwright to the BBC’s Vincent Dowd in August 2006. “Peter Morgan has been very careful to make sure no one gets sent up — every character is human and complex,” explained Michael Sheen. Langella added: “None of us is doing a caricature. The great thing is the play turns inexorably to tragedy over the course of two hours in the theater.” Langella had extensively studied Nixon for the role. “I did a great deal of research on Nixon and met a lot of people who’d been around him. They almost all said ‘Please don’t do him as a cliche — as a crook or a drunk.’ Nixon had a tragic flaw — he couldn’t stop the demon voices in his head which were to bring him down. Ultimately one has to feel compassion for that, though what he did was wrong and illegal.”“[Nixon] thought everyone was out to get him. He was so fabulously labyrin- thine and tortured.”
– Peter Morgan, playwright.
Morgan, too, had his own observations about Nixon, which he shared with The Guardian’s Gareth McLean in August 2006:
“Self-destruction is such an interesting thing for a dramatist, and what’s particular to Nixon is how human the failings were that led to his downfall. I really think he was a man who could have had greatness in his grasp. Despite being in a totally unassailable position — he’d reached détente with the Chinese, he presided over economic stability at home, he was about to be re-elected by a massive landslide — he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. And if you look back over his career, he was a serial self-destructor. What he did with Watergate and the abuses of power were the actions of a man who, despite all evidence to the contrary, thought everyone was out to get him. He was so fabulously labyrinthine and tortured.”
The play was Morgan’s first stage production, and it received high praise in the British press. “[A]s a study of two men in a camera combat, the play rivets the attention,” wrote Michael Billington of The Guardian on seeing the play at the Donmar in August 2006. “…I felt I had not only got a glimpse into the characters, but became nostalgic for an era when televison itself had a theatrical weight and power.” Benedict Nightingale of The Times, U.K., who also saw the play at the Donmar that August, wrote of the Nixon and Frost character probing: “[N]ow we see the insecurity, the inner vulnerability the two men share and hope not to show. Factual, fictional, it makes for riveting drama.” After its run at the Donmar, the play continued to run in London’s West End.In the wake of the play’s U.K. success, Frost/Nixon was soon imported to Broadway. In late March 2007, the play went into previews and officially opened at the Bernard B. Jacobs Theater on April 22, 2007 where it ran for 137 performances until closing in mid-August 2007. Reviewers again liked what they saw, especially in the performance of Frank Langella, “whose portrayal of Nixon,” wrote Ben Brantley of the New York Times, “is one of those made-for-the-stage studies in controlled excess in which larger-than-life seems truer-to-life than merely life-size ever could.” A newly-casted version of the Peter Morgan/ Michael Grandage play, with Stacy Keach playing Nixon and Alan Cox as Frost, began running and touring selected cities in 2008. In November 2008, it played the Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C.
Frost/Nixon BooksAs the initial play became popular in London and New York, and rumors of a movie version began to surface, a new round of books emerged. In June 2007, a book came out that was written by James Reston, Jr., a former member of David Frost’s research team in 1977. Reston’s 208-page book was titled: The Conviction of Richard Nixon: The Untold Story of the Frost/Nixon Interviews, and had its genesis back in 1977 during the unfolding of the interview ordeal with Nixon.
Frost had personally recruited Reston in May 1976 to leave an academic post and join his Nixon interview research team. Reston became a key member of Frost’s team, writing for example, a 96-page interrogation strategy memo for Frost in the process. He also wrote a private narrative and journal of his experiences during the Frost/Nixon interviews, highlighting the tensions in the Frost camp and his own feelings and critique about what was then occurring. Reston put much of this material away and forgot about for 30 years. Then Peter Morgan called, and Reston once again became involved in the Frost/Nixon time warp, offering his views and knowledge about what had happened in 1977 as Morgan crafted his play. Reston dug out his old writing and shared it with Morgan and also spent time with Morgan and his cast in London as they developed the play. Reston soon published his manuscripts in book form as The Conviction of Richard Nixon in June 2007. Reston’s account of those interviews has become an important addition to the historical record and a necessary complement to the play and the subsequent Hollywood film. Reston himself, however, became somewhat unhappy with how certain events were compressed and omitted in both the play and film, though conceding that the realms of drama and history are quite different in terms of what each presents. Still Reston made his views public in a January 2009 Smithsonian magazine article.
Reston had made a key discovery when working for Frost back in 1977. He had found then-undisclosed transcripts of taped conversations between Nixon and Charles Colson — one of the Watergate conspirators. These conversations of February 13th and 14th, 1973, revealed Nixon’s role in the coverup. And Frost used this information at a key moment in the interviews. In 1977, James Reston had found undisclosed tran- scripts of taped conversa- tions between Nixon and Charles Colson. On the February 14th tape, Nixon says: “The cover-up is, is the main ingredient… That’s where we gotta cut our losses. My losses are to be cut. The President’s losses got to be cut on the cover-up deal.” In the interview, Frost’s citing of this taped exchange between Nixon and Colson stuns Nixon. Neither Nixon nor any member of his team had seen this transcript. The Colson tapes contradicted Nixon’s assertion that he first learned of the cover-up on March 21, more than a month later. At this point in the interviews, Frost had Nixon on the ropes, as it were, and he now burrowed in, charging Nixon that he knew a cover-up was underway more than a month before he formerly said he knew of it — in other words, that Nixon had lied. And in that moment, Nixon appeared flustered and beaten. On the Colson tapes, Nixon also ordered his aides to “turn over any cash we got” to buy the Watergate burglars’ silence, this being the “hush money.” All pretty devastating material.Key parts of this Colson material, and the related Frost-Nixon exchange, do not appear in the play or the film. Reston, in his consultations with Peter Morgan during the preparation of the play, had urged that the Colson segment be included. And while the viewer does not miss this material in either the play or the film given the excellent performances, it is a departure from actual history, and that is the concern of James Reston.
Reston’s book then, with its actual record of the interviews, is an important supplement to play and film, especially for those who want the real sequence and substance of the 1977 interviews.
In addition to Reston’s book, an updated version of David Frost’s 1978 book, I Gave Them A Sword, was also released in October 2007. This time, the book was given the title, Frost/Nixon, in a bid to tie in with the play and the anticipated Hollywood film.
In this updated version, Frost explains the deal he made with Peter Morgan for the rights to produce the material as a play, and how he felt about it’s final casting plot and the character portrayals. “Frost/Nixon provides the authoritative account of the only public trial that Nixon would ever have,” says the publisher on the book’s back cover. This is the story, continues the blurb, of “David Frost’s quest to produce one of the most dramatic pieces of television ever broadcast…”
The FilmAmerican film director Ron Howard became interested in doing Frost/Nixon as a film after he had read some of the Frost/Nixon interviews and saw the play in London. He also remembered seeing the original interviews in 1977 when he was in his early 20s. But it was Peter Morgan’s play that really grabbed him, as he explained on The Charlie Rose Show:
…I was expecting to learn something. I was expecting to admire it. I wasn’t expecting to be on the edge of my seat…. I wasn’t expecting to laugh at it and with it the way I did. It’s such a rare thing to have, you know, something that as smart, unusual as this story, the way Peter Morgan framed it, and really have it be that engrossing an experience to watch it. …Even as I was watching it, I was beginning to get ideas about how the adaptation might work. …I fantasized grabbing a camera and jumping on stage and starting to move with these guys… I just began to feel a sort of a cinematic version of this in my mind. I became very ambitious for it, really wanted to do it…
Howard had been a famous child TV star playing the young boy, Opie Taylor, on the Andy Griffith Show of the 1960s, and as a teenager on Happy Days in the 1970s. After his acting years, Howard became a successful film director, producing a range of films, including: Splash (1984), Cocoon (1985), Far and Away (1992) Apollo 13 (1995), Cinderella Man (2005), A Beautiful Mind (2001), and The Da Vinci Code (2006). A Beautiful Mind received four Academy Awards, including those for Best Director and Best Picture.After Howard saw Frost/Nixon in London, he became fascinated with the inside drama and the characters, and decided he wanted to make a film adaptation of the play. He had some previous dealings British playwright Peter Morgan, who agreed to sell him the film rights and also work on the screenplay for the film. It was briefly rumored that Warren Beatty might play the role of Nixon, but Howard, struck by their performances he saw in the play, wanted to use both Frank Langella and Michael Sheen as the main characters in the film as well. “It became clear to me that anybody else was going to be walking in their shadows,” he would later say of Langella and Sheen in their respective roles, “and I really wanted film audiences to see what these actors could bring.”
Still, Frost/Nixon on the big screen might be received somewhat differently than the stage play, described by one reviewer as “a good pick for the Atlantic Monthly/Harper’s crowd,” suggesting a limited, more intellectual audience. Morgan would acknowledge this in a conversation with one reporter in 2007, noting the difficulty of enticing people into test screenings: “If you go into a mall and say, ‘Would you like to come and see a film about the interviews done by David Frost and Richard Nixon in 1977?’, they just walk past you. They think you’re mad.”
But Howard was committed to bringing the edge-of-seat drama that he saw on stage to the film. He also wanted to show the human side of both Frost and Nixon, while being honest to the history as far as he could. “One of my goals was to never apologize for Richard Nixon or David Frost,” said Howard about making the film in an interview with Time magazine. “But certainly with Nixon, who has been so vilified, deservedly so in many ways, I also wanted you to understand what made him tick.” In fact, Howard had voted for Richard Nixon in 1972. He was 18 that year, as he explained to the New York Times’ Deborah Solomon in November 2008: “Richard Dreyfuss, when we were doing [the film] American Graffiti, was pumping me to vote for McGovern. But I think I wound up going for Nixon. I thought he could get us out of the Vietnam War quickly. Ha.” In depicting Frost, too, Howard wanted to capture Frost’s “entrepreneurship,” as he explained in his interview with Deborah Solomon:
…One of the things I probably emphasized was the pressure on David Frost and the entrepreneurship of the whole enterprise. Yes, Frost faces the difficult task of stopping Nixon from hiding behind long-winded and self-serving statements and getting him to apologize for Watergate. As an interviewer, that’s one thing. Frost’s pride and his reputation are at stake. But as a producer, it’s another thing. It was really new broadcast territory.
…The fact that David Frost had packaged this thing, had gained the rights, wanted to produce it and be the interviewer — the networks didn’t want to farm out something like that. What he did was create the first fourth network; the interviews ran on local stations all over the country.
Still others were emphatic about historic distortion in the film or how Nixon was presented, including former Washington Post Watergate-era editor Ben Bradlee. “They never should have let him apologize in the film,” he said of Nixon’s portrayal after seeing the film at a VIP screening in December 2008. “Nixon never was sorry for what he did.” Elizabeth Drew, a journalist who wrote on politics at the time of Watergate and Nixon’s downfall, was also unhappy with the film, and said so in a detailed Huffington Post.com article:
…[I]t’s because of the enormously historical importance of that period that the film raises serious questions of its legitimacy. The film’s plot is a contrivance; its telling is so riddled with departures from what actually happened as to be fundamentally dishonest; and its climactic moment is purely and simply a lie. Literary license in the name of drama or entertainment is one thing; the issue comes down to what one is taking license with, and the degree of license being taken.
For others, however, the film succeeded in doing what Howard hoped it would do — i.e., to bring viewers into the inside drama of the contest and the strategizing between Frost and Nixon. “Neither the title nor the subject matter prepares you for the pure fun of ‘Frost/Nixon,'” wrote Washington Post’s movie critic Philip Kennicott in a December 2008 review. “…You expect something dry, historical and probably contrived. But you get a delicious contest of wits, brilliant acting and a surprisingly gripping narrative…” Adds Kennicott later in the same review:
…The writing is so good, the acting so powerful, that the film goes well beyond the courtroom drama into the territory of the classic history play. Nixon is Henry II, the fallen leader, and his call to Frost comes from a larger emotional dungeon than mere political disgrace. Frost, the young prince, the high-living Hal who needs to sober up if he’s to become Henry V, begins to take his quest seriously.
It isn’t Shakespeare, but it is drama at a level one doesn’t often get in the movies…
At the release of the Frost/Nixon film, David Frost reissued his book on the interviews, this time in paperback format in the U.K. using the title: Frost/Nixon: One Journalist, One President, One Confession. This version of the book was published by Pan Books as a media tie-in edition and went on sale in late November 2008. A new DVD of the Nixon interviews was also issued by Liberation Entertainment in early December 2008, using the title Frost/Nixon: The Original Watergate Interviews (1977). This DVD is 88 minutes long, and also includes new footage shot by Frost in 2007 in which he discusses his reactions to his 1977 encounter with Nixon and the historical impact of the interviews. Frost also shares his views on Peter Morgan’s interpretation and screenplay based on the interviews. A second DVD of the Frost/Nixon interviews is scheduled for release sometime in 2009. No doubt, the “Frost/Nixon” franchise will roll on for some years to come, intertwined as it is with Watergate, as well as the unending queries into the lessons of political power.
Frost & Nixon
After his 1977 interviews with Nixon, David Frost went on to do more interviewing and TV shows, among other things. As of 2008 he had interviewed the last seven American presidents and the last six British prime ministers. He was knighted in December 1992, becoming “Sir David Frost.” In later years, Nixon gained great respect in foreign affairs, consulted by Democrat and Repub- lican alike. When Frost visited The Daily Show in November 2008, host Jon Stewart suggested that Frost interview President George Bush about some of his administration’s controversial activities. Today David Frost is the host of the Al Jazeera English program, Frost Over the World.
Richard Nixon, on the other hand, lost his political career and was disbarred from legal practice in New York, and he resigned from legal practice elsewhere. But Nixon didn’t fade completely from the limelight. In fact, he went on to author ten books in his later life and maintained a routine of speaking, writing, and travel. In subsequent years, Nixon would be interviewed by journalists, book reviewers, and policy analysts. On occasion, he met with foreign leaders such as Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone in Japan, Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping in China, and Mikhail Gorbachev in the Soviet Union. Despite his historic failings, Nixon gained great respect in foreign affairs, consulted by Democrat and Republican alike in later years. Libraries and institutes were opened in his name, including the Richard Nixon Library in Yorba Linda, California and the Nixon Center for Peace and Freedom, a Washington, D.C. Nixon suffered a stroke on April 18, 1994 and died four days later, at the age of 81.
History & DramaThe Nixon and Watergate legacies continue to be debated to this day, along with the Frost/Nixon interviews and their various interpretations — whether stage play, Hollywood film, or multiple books. These materials all provide, in their own way, a useful and provocative collection of history lessons from that time, and a window into politics and personality. Frost/Nixon — the play and the film — were clearly focused on portraying the drama of the contest as well as the human foibles of the two main characters, both flawed and looking for their respective rewards and/or redemptions. True, some licence was taken with the actual history, with some scenes wholly created or omitted, while others were fictionalized for the sake of good story telling. Still, these productions succeeded in capturing the essence of the Frost-Nixon contest, the larger principles then at stake for law and nation, and the quirkiness and human qualities of both Frost and Nixon. They also introduced and/or drew out some new facets — whether of the personalities themselves, the role of television, or the chess-game strategies involved in the interviews. In so doing, they serve history not as the most definitive accounts of what happened — as the books are certainly better for that, at least in a factual and chronological sense. Yet the play and film are important for their different, unique, and focused perspectives. They also serve as valuable reminders of what a major event this was in its day, as well as educational prods to learn more about a tragic man at the pinnacle of power and how a democratic state dealt with him.
Other Richard Nixon-related stories at this website include: “Nixon’s Checkers Speech, September 1952” (during which the Vice President extricates himself from scandal through the “magic”of television); the “1968 Presidential Race” (featuring the Republican primaries and general election that year, Nixon’s election, and celebrities and other notables who helped Republican candidates, including Nixon); and, “Enemy of the President”(about cartoonist Paul Conrad and includes some of his famous Nixon and Watergate cartoons). Nixon is also covered in part in, “JFK’s 1960 Campaign.” Additional stories on politics can be found at the “Politics & Culture” category page. Thanks for visiting – and if you like what you see here, please make a donation to help support the research and writing at this website. Thank you. – Jack Doyle
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